J: So did I!
Y: 可是你本来就是意大利人啊。
J: Yes I am. But it made me feel more Italian. You know, in the U.S. sometimes it's hard to preserve your culture and your heritage.
Y: 你说的没错。不过这种街头文化节就是一种传播文化的好方法。
J: That is right. In this next quote, Diana explains how a street festival can help to preserve your culture and heritage.
Diana Crespi: Italian-Americans aren't looked on as a separate minority in this country; it becomes harder and harder to preserve your culture and heritage. So Festive Italiana really gives the active Italian-American population something to cling onto and a way to preserve their heritage, to promote the culture, the positive part of their culture.
Y: 她刚才说的cling onto是什么意思？
J: To cling onto something means to hold tightly, either with your hands like clinging onto to a rope or with your mind like clinging onto an idea or your heritage.
Y: 就是抓住什么东西不放的意思，比如用手抓住绳子，或者说对一个想法不愿意放弃。 说到继承文化遗产，对于美国这个多民族的国家， 维护各民族的文化有什么重要意义呢？ J:Now let's hear again from Diana.
Diana: And it's important to the fabric of the United States It's important for all cultures to do that not just Italian-Americans.
Y：Fabric of the United State，我好喜欢这个说法。
J：So do I. Because fabric of the United States really describes the diversity of the American culture. Y：对，用fabric来形容美国是由不同文化组成的国家，真的很形像。你知道我现在在想什么？
J：What's that?
Y：作一天的意大利人是很有意思。不过做一天意大利人还不够。我恨不得明天就飞到意大利去。和我一起去好吗？ J：That's a great idea. But I think we have to wait a little bit. I just came back. But we can play some Italian music in the meantime.
30 James Millard on Teaching Hongloumeng Y：各位听众好，欢迎您到美语咖啡屋。我是杨晨。
J: And I'm Jody! Welcome to American Cafe! Thanks for dropping in. Y: Jody 我今天好高兴！ J: Why are you so excited?
Y: 因为我刚认识了一位在乔治城大学教红楼梦的教授。
J: Oh, well no wonder you are so happy! I know how much you love Hongloumeng.
Y: 没错，因为《红楼梦》是人类历史上最伟大的小说。 J: Yes, well, to you...it is.
Y: 你那是什么表情啊。你想想世界那里还有一部小说象《红楼梦》那样描写了那么多生动的人物。 J: Really? 那我象红楼梦里的那个人物？
Y: 这个我等会儿再告诉你。我们先来让大家认识一下 Millward 教授，他还有个中文名字，叫米华健。他其实是历史教授。
J: A history professor? Then why he is teaching Hongloumeng? Y: 我们就让米华健教授亲自来解释一下他为什么在历史课上教《红楼梦》：
James Millward: Well, I've always taught Chinese history and I thought, well it would be nice to teach something that stresses the cultural side of Chinese history as well. And so I thought why not teach
Hongloumeng and I wonder if we could use Hongloumeng as a historical source to understand 18th century China.
Y: 你觉不觉米华健教授很有创意？让学生通过《红楼梦》来了解当时中国的社会。
J: That is much more creative because, you know, history can be pretty boring. yawn! Y: 没错。如果你一边读《红楼梦》，一边学历史就不会觉得枯燥了。
J: But I wonder what can they learn from Hongloumeng. Isn't it just a love story? Y: 那我们听听米华健教授是怎么说的：
James Millward: We read about Qing Dynasty government and Qing Dynasty society, and the legal system. There are a lot of court cases talked about in the book, Xue Pan. And we read about gender, history of gender and gender relations and women. We read about poetry and the role of poetry and, in particular, about women writing poetry; we read about art and art history. J: Wow. So it's not just a boy-meets-girl love story.
Y: 当然不是！ 《红楼梦》可不是一部简单爱情小说.它其实是一部社会小说。 J: Well, did the students like the book? Y:那我们来问问米华健教授：
James Millward: They liked it. They did find it long. They were glad when they were done. You know, if you sit down in the summer and read the whole thing from beginning to end, it doesn't feel long; but if you are reading it every week, it's like homework, and so it's not as much fun. Y: 你听到了吗， 米华健教授也说了，夏天读《红楼梦》是一种真正的享受。 J: Yeah, but how long is it, Yang Chen? Y: 不太长，只有一百二十回。
J: 不太长? What do you mean!?!? One hundred twenty chapters? Hey, is there a comic book version of Hongloumeng?
Y: 有啊， 我就有一套。不过我建议你先看原著。 也许是因为文化差异，美国学生和中国学生看《红楼梦》会有不同的感受， 我问米华健教授他的学生最喜欢哪个人物.他是这么说的：
James Millward: I know in China as well there is always a big debate about who would you rather have as your wife, Lin Daiyu or Xue Baochai. Generally American students found Lin Daiyu to be kind of whiny, and to be lying there all the time and complaining all the time and they didn't really like her character very
much. Some of them liked Xue Baochai, although of them found her a little bit calculating. Many of them actually liked Wang Xifeng because they saw her as a very capable woman. Y: 非常有意思。这些美国学生觉得林黛玉喜欢抱怨，whiny。 J: Whiny. That's not a good trait for a woman.
Y: 有些人喜欢薛宝钗，可是又觉得她太很有心计，calculating。
J: Calculating? That's another bad quality. Are there any good women to like in Hongloumeng. Y: 你看他们都喜欢王熙凤。哎，你一开始不是问我你象《红楼梦》里的哪个人物马？我看啊，你就象王熙凤。 J: Why? What's wrong with her? Y: She's perfect!
J: Oh, okay. I'll have to read the book to find out because, Yang Chen, maybe I don't believe you. Y: 你最好相信我。
J: Now what about you? Hongloumeng is your favorite book. I know you've read many many times, which character would you like to play? Y: 贾宝玉！
J: Jia Baoyu. Who's that? Y: 男主角啊！
J: A man! Well, we're going to have to talk about that later. Thanks for joining us on today's American Cafe.
Y: 好今天的美语咖啡屋就到这里。我们下次节目再见！ J: A man? What do you mean a man? 31 What is a Bonfire?
(Enter sound of woods and a small fire) Y: 各位听众好。欢迎收听美语咖啡屋。我是杨晨。
J: Hello everyone! I'm Jody! Welcome to American Cafe! Except today, we're not in the Cafe. Y: 没错。我们现在是树林里。不过这都是Jody的主意，如果我有选择，我宁可舒舒服服地呆在咖啡馆里。
J: Aw come on, Yang Chen, this is going to be fun. Out in the woods enjoying a campfire. This is what I call living large! Living the good life! Don't ya (you) think?
Y: 你说得到轻松。Living large活得自由自在。先别自在了，你看我们点的火都快灭了，快拿手电筒来。 J: You said you were bringing the flashlights.
Y: Jody!! 你不是说你要拿手电筒吗？ 哎呀，现在怎么办呢。 J: Hey, there's no reason to panic. (Enter animal sound)
Y: (getting anxious) Jody! 这是什么声音，后面是不是有狼啊？
J: That's not a wolf. It was probably just a raccoon. We're fine, Yang Chen.
Y: 听这声音好象是一个个头很大的动物. 我们在树林里，火又快灭了。都怪你非要到这里来作节目。你赶快想办法让火烧得旺一点好不好！
J: Okay, okay. Calm down. How big do you want the fire, Yang Chen? Do you want it as big as a bonfire? Y: Bonfire? 是什么？
J: A bonfire? Well, it just so happens that on today's show we have two experts, you could say, on bonfires. Aren't we lucky? Heh heh.
Y: Lucky? 今天我们这么倒霉你还敢说是lucky?
J: Oh, whatever. Let's go to our guests. First let's hear from our good friend CT, a man who claims to have built over 100 bonfires in his life.
CT: A bonfire is a large campfire. It is just a bunch of wood you collect from natural surroundings and put into a pile and then you light it on fire. And ideally you have more wood and you keep throwing it on and on, making the flames bigger and bigger and then it burns out.
Y: Bonfire 就是篝火，只不过比普通的篝火要大，Jody, 他刚才说点这种篝火要准备很多木头，不断地往火里扔。 J: Yeah, I heard that. He did say that ideally you have more wood and you keep throwing it on the fire. Heh, what a great idea. Okay, I'll go get some more wood while CT tells how big a bonfire should be.
CT: Well it depends on your neighbors. If your neighbors like bonfires I would say you could have a nice size fire in a plot of land that is 20 meters by 20 meters. But maybe you want to have something that's 50 meters by 50 meters. Then you can have a big bonfire.
Y: 我们倒是不用担心邻居们会有意见。因为现在除了我们两人附近根本没有人! J: Yang Chen, you really must calm down. Here, have a beer. (Enter sound of beer can opening)
Y: 太棒了。你可真行，忘了手电筒，倒是没有忘记带啤酒。
J: Hey, I do have my priorities. But look at all the wood I gathered! (Enter sound of wood dropping to the ground)
Y: 不错。不过我还是想听听你认识的那两个所谓的专家还有什么高见。 J: Good idea. Here's Marty.
Marty: Uh...a bonfire is anytime you're burning any lengths of wood. You can throw in trees ... that's a bonfire. When you get a full tree in ... that's a bonfire. The bigger the better. Y: 我喜欢他说的 \，越大越好。
J: And don't forget...it's getting darker and darker. Heh, boy, fire is really important. Y: 你很聪明。
J: Yang Chen, I bet this is what primitive people, you know原始人, felt like thousands of years ago. Y: 我真佩服你的想象力。可我们没有生活在原始社会，干吗要没事找罪受呢？ J: Well, I'm just saying that people like fire. Y: 为什么？
J: It feels good and, I think, it touches part of our primal side. Again here's Marty.
Marty: I am just watching the flames and burning stuff. It's primal burning things. I mean this is like the original source of heat in the world; it is burning wood so ...It smells good. Radiant heat is just beautiful heat; how it radiates out at you and warms your whole body. (Enter sound of roaring fire)
Y: Mary 说的primal side就是原始的本能。 我不知道烤火是不是能让一个人看到自己原始本能，不过我觉得篝火散发出来的光和热给了我一种安全感。 你觉得我们两个人点这么大的篝火是不是太浪费木头了？ J: Boy, you are just never happy. Here let's have a drink to a bonfire! J&Y: Cheers!
Y: 各位听众我们下次节目再见
J: See you next time on American Cafe. Next time I think we'll actually be in the cafe! See you later! 32 Martys Favorite Bonfire
J: Hello I'm Jody! Welcome to American Cafe!
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